tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15136575.post5964922056377203195..comments2023-10-17T12:00:16.772+01:00Comments on Code rant: ALT.NET UK (un)conferenceMike Hadlowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16441901713967254504noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15136575.post-45860532598049749082008-09-16T12:44:00.000+01:002008-09-16T12:44:00.000+01:00I thoroughly enjoyed it too, learnt loads met some...I thoroughly enjoyed it too, learnt loads met some nice people and found it interesting that others share many of my frustrations.<BR/><BR/>The ORM discussion regarding linq enabled generic repositories where we discussed the boundary between linq to objects and the ORM linq provider, could perhaps have been a little more beneficiary had we’d been able to see specific code. <BR/><BR/>Hence your exuberance to write it on the white board I guess Mike.<BR/><BR/>I guess we’d have needed a projector and laptop, to share code but I’m not sure if a presentation would have been necessary? <BR/><BR/>Wireless would have been useful in some instances (not all), but I can’t fault the organisers the venue was central and pretty much large enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15136575.post-42973554698024340722008-09-16T11:25:00.000+01:002008-09-16T11:25:00.000+01:00Sounds like an awesome gig - wish I could have mad...Sounds like an awesome gig - wish I could have made it :(<BR/><BR/>@Mike, though I'd mention that I blogged about your Jobvertizer - cool project! <BR/><BR/>http://www.tobinharris.com/2008/9/9/tidy-linq-asp-net-mvc-monorail-nhibernate-windsor-rhino-mocks-unit-testing-example-projectTobin Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02203581553681366247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15136575.post-14030880261577620432008-09-16T10:50:00.000+01:002008-09-16T10:50:00.000+01:00@mikeBringing in code might help some people, but ...@mike<BR/>Bringing in code might help some people, but in reality if you want code examples of IoC/NHibernate or whatever googling its easy enough. If you haven't done this, and if you don't understand the implementation or the ideas, then the most you can hope for in an hour is that you get excited about something and go do some more work on it (and excitement about things is more than enough).<BR/><BR/>If we had more time and could do workshops then it would be different, if so by all means...but thats a very different proposition. <BR/><BR/>On DDD, I'd say you only get the most shallow understanding by looking at code. Same for REST/SOA and many other ideas. The best we can hope from a session is it gets us excited enough to go learn more and I thought that this ALT.NET UK did that superbly.Colin Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01403166737046938219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15136575.post-26042482971129178142008-09-16T10:37:00.000+01:002008-09-16T10:37:00.000+01:00@colinI think there's a middle way. A disussion wh...@colin<BR/>I think there's a middle way. A disussion while looking at some code. I agree that we don't want ALT.NET UK to become a series of presentations, but I do disagree that you don't learn DDD by looking at code. I would have loved to have seen some code from Ian during the DDD talk. I was talking the mechanics of IoC container use inside an application with another group and I'm sure I would have made a lot more sense if I'd been able to break out some code.Mike Hadlowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16441901713967254504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15136575.post-65062779153214527172008-09-16T10:04:00.000+01:002008-09-16T10:04:00.000+01:00@mikeI think the discussion on the group is about ...@mike<BR/>I think the discussion on the group is about right, you don't learn DDD by looking at code. <BR/><BR/>In fact what I like about ALT.NET UK is its a discussion rather than a bunch of people looking at some slides or an IDE, guess different people get different things out of it though.Colin Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01403166737046938219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15136575.post-29887918734315027592008-09-16T09:07:00.000+01:002008-09-16T09:07:00.000+01:00I wasn't aware that the projectors were available,...I wasn't aware that the projectors were available, but then I also didn't bring my laptop :P<BR/><BR/>I'm going to make a point of preparing some code to show, or at least having VS up and running at the next ALT.NET UK. I think we would have got a lot more out of some of the discussions if there had been code in front of us. I'm thinking particularly here of the DDD session and the one on NHibernate/ORM.Mike Hadlowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16441901713967254504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15136575.post-5168675348513576952008-09-15T23:57:00.000+01:002008-09-15T23:57:00.000+01:00Yes, we had projectors but I can't recall if we ac...Yes, we had projectors but I can't recall if we actually let everyone know they were available.Alan Deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589768205632967394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15136575.post-88054480642074347982008-09-15T14:27:00.000+01:002008-09-15T14:27:00.000+01:00We had projectors. Anyone could have borrowed them...We had projectors. Anyone could have borrowed them had they wantedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15136575.post-89449736023964763292008-09-14T18:34:00.000+01:002008-09-14T18:34:00.000+01:00Yeah it was good, not sure on the coming prepared ...Yeah it was good, not sure on the coming prepared idea. With such a limited timeframe I find I get far more out of the sessions that stay quite high level and just give you enough of a test to pique your interest. Guess it depends on the type of session though...Colin Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01403166737046938219noreply@blogger.com